橙力の雑想
(標題由來)原帖由 橙色力量 於 2007-6-2408:38 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
本來在寫一個對阿藍、空氣小子及客家黃的總回應。但係經歷過我睇波生涯的浮生第六劫，再加上又受到客家黃傲慢言論的刺激，我又再重新動筆，寫我自九四盃後構思的足球架空史(大綱部份)。:icon064::icon101:
原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-6-2408:53 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
想what-if d咩topics先?:icon101:
原帖由 橙色力量 於 2007-6-2409:00 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
你是明知故問嗎？:icon101:
01年寫好的前言：
“Disappointment is part of football”
Ron Greenwood
(On explaining why Glenn Hoddle wasn’t
picked after his excellent debut during 1979)
Foreword:
Football History, just like the real world, is far from perfect. Some great teams failed to win it all; some great players ended their career too early, either by alcoholism, serious injury or even by mortality. Some great players were injured in the most untimely fashion (Bryan Robson in World Cup 82, 86 and 90 came to mind). Some cheaters left unpunished; and many cup finals were boring anti-climax. Sure we can’t really change history, but we can change it in our imagination. Ever wonder what might happen if the Munich air disaster was avoided? What If Alfredo Di Stefano or George Best got their chance to shine in the World Cup? What if Jan Van Beveren and Johan Cruyff could get along? What if Careca was not injured and started for Brazil during World Cup 82? What if the referee caught “The Hand of God”? What if Marco Van Basten, like Pele, Maradona, and Ronaldo, recovered from serious injury, and play again? In the following series I will share my thoughts. Some may dismiss it as a mere wish fulfillment, but I hope you will enjoy it, some football fans (especially those from a certain Central European nation) might think I steal their glories, but after all, disappointment is part of football…
原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-6-2409:09 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
我腦海突然諗起好多what-if...:icon101:
前言寫得好好
keep up.. :icon112:
以後我再有什麼胡思亂想的點子就放在這裡吧。:icon101:
[ 本帖最後由 橙色力量 於 2007-6-2410:00 PM 編輯 ] 假如當年Pele真係去左皇馬
如果當年HKFA無實行全華班..:icon101: :icon101: :icon101:
如果南斯拉夫尚在.....:icon101:
refer to ur 北宋topic..
我最近睇番本叫<If by chance>的書.
覺得西洋的alternate history易寫好多..:icon101: 原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-6-2410:32 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
如果當年HKFA無實行全華班..:icon101: :icon101: :icon101:
假如當年已經有亞洲冠軍球會盃，精工......:icon041: 原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-6-2410:32 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
如果南斯拉夫尚在.....:icon101:
要Tito繼承人需快行歐美式聯邦制至有可能。 原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-6-2410:32 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
假如當年Pele真係去左皇馬
如果有Di Stefano，比利肯去接棒的機會很低。 原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-6-2410:32 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
refer to ur 北宋topic..
我最近睇番本叫的書.
覺得西洋的alternate history易寫好多:icon101:
有一個scenario是比較易動筆的：假如是奕訢而非奕詝繼位......(燕窩才子最愛問的what-if:icon101:) 原帖由 橙色力量 於 2007-6-2410:42 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
要Tito繼承人需快行歐美式聯邦制至有可能。
如果得的話..
拉夫斯係90年代尾就唔使係球壇沒落了 原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-6-2410:55 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
如果得的話..
拉夫斯係90年代尾就唔使係球壇沒落了
:confused::icon101:
又未必，可能會一路會好似西班牙咁，因地禍域之見無法團結。
九八年克羅地亞嘅例子話比我哋知：分開可能更好。
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:confused::icon101:
又未必，可能會一路會好似西班牙咁，因地禍域之見無法團結。
九八年克羅地亞嘅例子話比我哋知：分開可能更好。
打錯次序:icon101:
你覺得西班牙國家隊的失敗是因為地域問題? 原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-6-2411:18 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
打錯次序:icon101:
你覺得西班牙國家隊的失敗是因為地域問題?
其中之一吧(這個因素對南斯拉夫的影響更大)。
[ 本帖最後由 橙色力量 於 2007-6-2601:58 PM 編輯 ] 原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-6-2410:32 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
假如當年Pele真係去左皇馬
如果當年HKFA無實行全華班..:icon101: :icon101: :icon101:
如果南斯拉夫尚在.....:icon101:
refer to ur 北宋topic..
我最近睇番本叫的書.
覺得西洋的alternate history易寫好多..:ico ...
我曾經諗過，如果曼聯無發生慕尼黑空難，佢地可否阻止皇馬五連覇:icon101:
[ 本帖最後由 anto 於 2007-6-2601:34 AM 編輯 ] 原帖由 anto 於 2007-6-2601:23 AM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
我曾經諗過，如果曼聯無發生慕尼黑空難......
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The club had chartered an aeroplane to fly them home from their European Cup match against the Yugoslavian team Red Star Belgrade, which ended in a 3-3 draw (United won the tie 5-4 on aggregate). The take-off from Belgrade was delayed for an hour as the United player Johnny Berry had lost his passport, then the plane made a scheduled stop in Munich to refuel.
Captain James Thain, the pilot, tried to take off twice, but both attempts were aborted due to engine surging. When a third take off was attempted, at 3:04pm, the plane failed to gain adequate height and crashed into the fence surrounding the airport, then into a house, which was unoccupied at the time.
Although the crash was originally blamed on pilot error, it was subsequently found to have been caused by the build-up of slush towards the ends of the runway, causing deceleration of the aircraft and preventing safe flying speed from being attained. During the take off, the aircraft had attained a speed of 117 kt but on entering the slush speed dropped to 105 kt, too slow for flight with not enough runway remaining to abort the take off. Aircraft with tail-wheel undercarriages had not been greatly affected by slush, due to the geometry of these undercarriages in relation to the aircraft's centre of gravity, but newer types, such as the Ambassador, with nosewheel landing-gear and the main wheels behind the centre of gravity, were found to be vulnerable. The accident resulted in the instigation of operating limits for the amount of slush build-up permitted on runways.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_air_disaster#Background
其實如果唔係Johnny Berry遺失護照，飛機唔會Delay一小時，跑道積雪較少，可能真係冇事的。:icon099:
原帖由 anto 於 2007-6-2601:23 AM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
......佢地可否阻止皇馬五連覇:icon101:
當季如果冇事四強應該打得贏AC。決賽對皇馬，對手經驗依然較佳，勝算較高。
如果決賽落敗，那季曼聯贏聯賽的機會甚低*。最快都要59-60球季重返歐冠，就當那季曼聯取代了狼隊，八強又贏倒巴塞，四強又要對皇馬，曼聯的「經驗值」上升，但當時皇馬狀態top fit，仍是皇馬勝算較高。
但話分兩頭，如果五八決賽曼聯真係打得低皇馬，自信大增。最樂觀的話分分鐘可以五連覇到六二年，直至意式防反興起。
*空難前的曼聯聯賽戰績：
P28 W15 D6 L7 Pt36 GD+26
當季聯賽冠軍狼隊全季戰績：
P42 W28 D8 L6 Pt64 GD +56
原定是曼聯作客紅星後的週末主場對狼隊的，後來因空難Delay至四月廿一日(狼隊勝四比零)。那時贏一場波得兩分，換句話說，要麼曼聯主場贏狼隊後餘下十三場全勝，直接捧盃(別忘了當時曼聯要三線作戰的)；要麼曼聯主場和狼隊後餘下十三場全勝，而那十三場加起上來要入多於對手廿三球以上，以得失球差取勝。
[ 本帖最後由 橙色力量 於 2007-6-2606:25 PM 編輯 ] 原帖由 CYBASTER 於 2007-7-2106:39 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
橙力兄是這裏的長期cd-rom嗎?:icon101:
原帖由 橙色力量 於 2007-7-2106:41 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
:icon075:沒有B的習慣:icon101:
原帖由 henrytam 於 2007-7-2106:46 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
不過有down的習慣:icon075: :icon075: :icon075: :icon101:
原帖由 橙色力量 於 2007-7-2106:54 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
已是past tense了，沒人留意到我從不提及現時的美/日劇、AGC及AV嗎？:icon101:
所有心思都到了這裡。:icon075:
原帖由 henrytam 於 2007-7-2106:55 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
上一個post已經是成個月前:bye: :icon101:
原帖由 橙色力量 於 2007-7-2107:00 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
已經打到58年世界盃初賽尾段，完成品將會拿去找英國出版商出書的，所以只會post少少節錄。 58年 chapter 終於在兩天前完成了！
就此 post 一些 54年及58年 chapter 的節錄吧。
1954:
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Before England – Hungary match in November 1953, two signs of warning was ignored by England. First, in May 1953, Stadio Olimpico opened in Rome, Italy made a big mistake of inviting Hungary to play them at the ceremonial friendly matches. They simply spoiled the party by manhandled azzurri 5-0, Italian coach was fired at once, and replaced by Lajos Czeizler, a Hungarian and first ever foreign azzurri coach. A certain up-and-coming football correspondent name Brian Glanville, warned his countrymen about the coming storm, yet few paid attention. On twenty first of October, England struggled to tie FIFA XI 4-4, via a doubtful late penalty. Then ten day before the showdown, Swedes held Hungarians a 2-2 draw at Népstadion, some FA staffs were present and they think the Hungarians were overrated, without noticed that Sweden manager George Raynor assigned a defender to man-mark Nándor Hidegkuti.
Finally came the fateful match at Wembley, when players walked out of tunnel and into the pitch, Hungarian seemed nervous, and Englishmen seemed confident, thirty-one years ago, Austria Wunderteam failed narrowly 3-4 at Stamford Bridge; then three years later Pozzo’s azzurri, World Cup winner of 1934, lost “The Battle of Highbury” by 2-3. This time would be no exception.
Or was it? Sixty seconds after kick-off, Hungary went ahead. Hidegkuti, their No.9 who supposed to be out and out center-forward, drop back to the midfield. Harry Johnston, Blackpool centre-half, was bewildered but still followed him. Hidegkuti sold him the dummy, then, with the central defense wide open, slammed a powerful 20-yard shot which beat Gil Merrick. Seven minutes later, László Kubala, an inside-right turn outside right, turn Bill Eckersley inside out, went byline and made a telling cross a la Matthew or Finley, Johnston, staying behind this time, had another dilemma: Ferenc Puskás and Sándor Kocsis, who should he mark? When Kocsis, who was even shorter than Puskás, made a mighty leap, Johnston got the answer, but it was too late, Kocsis simply score with his “Golden Head”, in the fashion of Dean, Drake, Lawton and Lofthouse.
“They beat us with our own game!” Exclaim England players and fans alike. To be fair for England, they didn’t give up, inside left Jack Sewell keep them in contention with a goal via Stan Mortensen well timed pass in 15th minute. But ninety seconds after the game resumed, Hungary delivered the coup de grace. Kubala, darted past Eckersley, dribbled down the line again, but rather than sent another cross, he cut into the box, unlashed a curing cannonball shot from an impossible angle, and the ball was in the back of the net. “At time we were stunned, as if struck by lighting, we were simply demoralized,” recalled Billy Wright, their future 107 caps captain. In the next twelve minutes, there was a magnificent Hungarian demolition; Hidegkuti score again in 20th minute, this time from close range following a poor clearance by the English defence, merely two minutes after, it was Puskas’ turn. First he waltzes past Wright, kicked the ball in with his explosive left foot; seven minutes later he scored again, by diverted a free-kick by József Bozsik. Then shortly before half-time Mortensen dashed forward from a throw-in to score England's second goal.
However, the game was long lost for England. To add insult to injury, nine minutes after the break, Bozsik scored one for himself; just a couple of minute later, Hidegkuti completed his hat trick. Before the game time reach an hour, Hungary completed their “unfinished business”, Kubala, cut into the midfield this time, offered a defence-spitting pass to Hidegkuti, who rushed forward, collected the ball gracefully, made a short pass to his left, Puskas fake a shot, intentionally let the ball slipped to further left, Merrick, anticipated another mighty left foot shot, already droved to his right, Zoltán Czibor, their fast and tricky outside-left, duly ran forward and shoot the empty net. Now with all major Hungarian midfielders and attackers had at least a goal in their credit, they eased up toward the end. Though Alf Ramsey converted a penalty to make the final score 9-3 at 62nd minute, it wasn’t matter, what truly matter was, “a new page in the history of football had already been turned,” which was the conclusion of the report in the FA Year Book.
Once the final whistle was blown, there was brief dead silence, England fans still in a state of shock, and then they offer a thunderous standing ovation. “Der Ultra Wunderteam!” Exclaimed Jimmy Hogan, ironically the Englishman who laid the football groundwork in Central Europe, especially Austria and…Hungary, between 1910’s and 30’s. “My ‘Keep it on the carpet!’ (i.e. short pass, ground ball tactic) gospel was ignored in England, sadly now my countrymen reap the whirlwind.” He added. Later in the banquet after the match, Hogan told Sebes: “That’s was the kind of football today that I dreamed the Hungarians might one day be able to play”.
“I’m afraid that even had Superga air crash not happened, Valentino Mazzola and his Torino teammates were still alive, azzurri won’t have a chance against Hungary,” commented Vittorio Pozzo.
Next day, the 9-3 score line read like Richter Scale 9.3 earthquake throughout the football world. “La Super Maquina”, screamed most of the headline around Latin America and Europe. “It is the end of England as the grand old master of football,” wrote Gabriel Hanot, former French international and editor of L’Equipe, the French daily sports paper. According to Puskas on Puskas, edited by Rogan Taylor and Klara Jamrich: “In Europe the Hungarian victory was hailed by all, as if it were a general vindication of continental football’s progress.” The book also record Puskas’ interview, he said. “When we got to Paris, where we had to change to another railway station, the reception was unbelievable. It was almost as if they themselves had won.” Szepesi, Hungarian chief radio sport commentator who travel with the team, also remembered, “…The English had cheered us off from Victoria station as well…it was the same all the way across Europe. There were crowds of people waiting everywhere the train stopped…(at) Vienna, the crowd seemed larger than Paris…including the Austrian national team (among the crowd).Needless to say, their homecoming celebration was the largest of all. As if it was their second Independent Day.
Half year later, and three weeks before the World Cup began, England made seven personnel changes, traveled to Hungary, seeking revenge, but this time Hungary took no prisoner, and the final score was 11-1. “Magical Magyar” duded by English press, and up to that point had been twenty-eight games undefeated, was the red-hot favorite for the Jules Rimet Trophy.
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1958:
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Argentina
Argentina returned from its self-impose exile. In order to field a strongest lineup, they sacrifice the 1957 South American Championship, fielding a lesser talent inside-forward trio, so that Italian clubs would unable to plunder their best player. It’s Trio de la Muerte comprise of inside-right Humberto Maschio, centre-forward Antonio Angelillo, and the most promising of all, inside-left Omar Sívori. In addition, play making centre-half Néstor Rossi call the tune. Their renowned 1930 World Cup forward Guillermo Stábile was the manager since 1939. They were put in the Pool One, with Czechoslovakia (lost all two first round and score no goal during 1954 World Cup), North Ireland, and finally, the weaken Hungary as the seed team, expectation were high.
The Group Matches
Day One
But there was a problem for Argentine – La nuestra, their style of game – they were still playing ancient 2-3-5 formation, their pace was slow, emphasizing eye-catching short pass and gambeta – flamboyant solo dribbling. In their opening match with Hungary at Malmö Stadion, their slender outside-side right Oreste Corbatta dart from the right flank to lash in a far post high shot. When Hungary restart the game, Bozsik found out the Argentines were still in mood of mutual congratulation. After some brief short passing, he lob in the ball against the unsuspecting Amadeo Carrizo. Then Hungarians adopt a more physical approach, and they were winning the procession. Their brawny inside-left, Tichy was too strong for Argentineans to handle. He scored twice for the rest of the first half, and Hungary was 3-1 up. In the second half, Hungary still dictated the tempo, but Carrizo, widely regarded by his countrymen as their best keeper at the time, recover and denied several Hungarians chances. Rossi was fed up with Hungarians’ hard tackles, he retaliate and foul on Hidegkuti and injured him. Englishman referee Reg Leafe served no punishment, Hungarians were furious; they thought it was petty revenge form an Englishman. With virtually playing one man up, Argentine called the tune. Sívori created two goals for Angelillo, then he nutmegged past two defenders (pushing the ball between their legs), and even nutmegged Grosics as well to score the winning goal.
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