西甲07-08第17週
艾梅利亞 ？：？ 基達菲皇家薩拉戈薩 ？：？ 華倫西亞
西維爾 ？：？ 桑坦德
馬德里體育會 ？：？ 愛斯賓奴
利雲迪 ？：？ 拉科魯尼亞
奧沙辛拿 ？：？ 馬略卡
華拉杜列 ？：？ 皇家畢迪斯
維拉利爾 ？：？ 韋爾瓦
巴塞隆拿 ？：？ 皇家馬德里
畢爾包 ？：？ 梅西亞
全部賽果
[ 本帖最後由 Raul_Gonzalez 於 2007-12-2405:55 AM 編輯 ]
西甲０７－０８聯賽榜及射手榜
名次 球會 賽 勝 和 負 得失球 積分１ 皇家馬德里 １６ １２ ２ ２ ３６：１４ ３８
２ 巴塞隆拿 １６ １０ ４ ２ ３２：１２ ３４
３ 馬德里體育會 １６ ９ ４ ３ ３０：１６ ３１
４ 維拉利爾 １６ １０ １ ５ ２９：２３ ３１
５ 愛斯賓奴 １６ ８ ６ ２ ２４：１８ ３０
６ 桑坦德 １６ ７ ５ ４ １６：１５ ２６
７ 華倫西亞 １６ ８ １ ７ ２０：２６ ２５
８ 馬略卡 １６ ５ ６ ５ ２５：２４ ２１
９ 西維爾 １６ ６ ２ ８ ２８：２２ ２０
１０ 皇家薩拉戈薩 １６ ５ ５ ６ ２５：２６ ２０
１１ 艾梅利亞 １６ ５ ４ ７ １４：１８ １９
１２ 韋爾瓦 １６ ５ ４ ７ １２：１９ １９
１３ 畢爾包 １６ ４ ６ ６ １５：１７ １８
１４ 基達菲 １６ ５ ３ ８ １７：２１ １８
１５ 梅西亞 １６ ４ ６ ６ １３：１９ １８
１６ 奧沙辛拿 １６ ４ ５ ７ １７：２０ １７
１７ 華拉杜列 １６ ４ ５ ７ ２１：２７ １７
１８ 皇家畢迪斯 １６ ４ ５ ７ １７：２３ １７
１９ 拉科魯尼亞 １６ ３ ５ ８ １５：２４ １４
２０ 利雲迪 １６ ２ １ １３ １１：３２ ７
１０球：
西維爾 － 路易斯．法比安奴（１球十二碼）
８球：
巴塞隆拿 － 美斯（３球十二碼）
皇家馬德里 － 魯爾（１球十二碼）
雲尼斯泰萊（１球十二碼）
皇家薩拉戈薩 － 列卡度．奧利華拉
迪亞高．米列圖（２球十二碼）
７球：
馬德里體育會 － 艾古路
愛斯賓奴 － 譚梅度（２球十二碼）
馬略卡 － 古爾沙
西維爾 － 簡路迪
維拉利爾 － 焦斯比．羅斯（２球十二碼）
尼夏治
６球：
艾梅利亞 － 尼格度（１球十二碼）
馬德里體育會 － 科蘭
巴塞隆拿 － 朗拿甸奴（２球十二碼）
華倫西亞 － 摩連迪斯
華拉杜列 － 域陀．曼奴（１球十二碼）
５球：
馬德里體育會 － 麥斯．洛迪古斯（１球十二碼）
巴塞隆拿 － 亨利
馬略卡 － 艾蘭高
奧沙辛拿 － 達迪
皇家畢迪斯 － 柏禾尼
皇家馬德里 － 羅賓奴
史尼達
華拉杜列 － 祖斯巴．羅倫迪
４球：
畢爾包 － 艾杜利斯
愛斯賓奴 － 路易斯．加西亞．費蘭迪斯
利雲迪 － 利根奴
馬略卡 － 伊巴加沙（２球十二碼）
梅西亞 － 費蘭度．拜安奴（１球十二碼）
桑坦德 － 佐治．盧比斯
韋爾瓦 － 卡路斯．馬田斯
華倫西亞 － 大衛．施華
３球：
艾梅利亞 － 美路（１球十二碼）
馬德里體育會 － 魯爾．加西亞
畢爾包 － 艾斯巴利亞
拉科魯尼亞 － 薛斯高．積文尼斯
古亞達度（１球十二碼）
利基
愛斯賓奴 － 利亞拿
基達菲 － 大衛．蘇沙
布魯利奧
利雲迪 － 利加
馬略卡 － 華里拿
桑坦德 － 捷迪
梅尼迪斯
皇家畢迪斯 － 蘇比斯
路易斯．伊度（２球十二碼）
皇家馬德里 － 沙治奧．藍莫斯
皇家薩拉戈薩 － 沙治奧．加西亞
迪亞歷辛祖
韋爾瓦 － 查維．古里路
西維爾 － 卻薩哥夫
維拉利爾 － 古爾拿莫．法蘭高
卡梳拿
２球：
畢爾包 － 蘇沙達
費蘭度．羅倫迪
馬德里體育會 － 施馬奧
文歷治
巴塞隆拿 － 保贊
恩尼斯達
沙維
伊圖
拉科魯尼亞 － 塔波達
愛斯賓奴 － 安祖．馬天尼斯
華度
基達菲 － 卡斯基路
柏布路．靴蘭迪斯（１球十二碼）
曼奴．迪摩拉爾
基柏
馬略卡 － 韋保
梅西亞 － 迪盧卡斯
奧沙辛拿 － 彭迪安尼
祖安法蘭．拖里斯
查維．加西亞
柏拉素
桑坦德 － 奧斯卡．沙蘭奴
史莫拿歷
皇家畢迪斯 － 薛斯高
皇家馬德里 － 沙維奧拿
希古恩
韋爾瓦 － 冼藍馬邦高利
西維爾 － 謝素斯．拿華斯
華倫西亞 － 大衛．維拿
祖亞昆（１球十二碼）
巴拉查
華拉杜列 － 艾華路．魯比奧
錫斯馬
施斯．干沙利斯
維拉利爾 － 馬高斯．辛拿（２球十二碼）
富安迪斯
１球：
艾梅利亞 － 費蘭度．蘇利安奴
告魯沙治
卡奴．烏捷
文尼
艾卡斯迪
畢爾包 － 加比朗度
大衛．盧比斯
耶斯迪
馬德里體育會 － 佩尼亞
路易斯．加西亞
祖拉度
柏布路．伊班尼斯
巴塞隆拿 － 耶耶．拖里
馬基斯
迪高
加比爾．米列圖
古莊臣
拉科魯尼亞 － 博迪普
魯賓．卡斯度
基斯坦．希度高
哥洛仙尼
愛斯賓奴 － 莊拿芬．蘇利安奴
哥路明拿斯
薩巴列達
查基
基達菲 － 烏捷
格蘭尼路
艾賓
利雲迪 － 伊堤安
域基拉（１球十二碼）
湯馬斯
查維．富高
馬略卡 － 紐尼斯
域陀．卡沙迪素斯
藍美斯
端尼
梅西亞 － 美治亞
法蘭斯高．加拿度
艾雲．艾朗素
艾比爾
列古路
恩尼高
哥湯姆
奧沙辛拿 － 告魯查加
卡路斯．維拿
樸迪路
桑坦德 － 加雷
杜沙
皇家畢迪斯 － 域陀利安奴．蘭奴
費蘭度
艾素
卡比
皇家馬德里 － 古迪
伯迪斯達
皇家薩拉戈薩 － 馬杜沙林
薩柏達
奧斯卡．干沙利斯
韋爾瓦 － 艾陀
甘蒙拿斯
謝素斯．華斯基斯
西維爾 － 艾路拿．干尼
保臣
施度．基達
馬利斯卡（１球十二碼）
華倫西亞 － 莫列堤
米古爾
安古路
艾雲．希古拿
華拉杜列 － 加西亞．卡禾
高美
柏祖．盧比斯
奧比捷
維拉利爾 － 湯馬臣
葛甸
皮里斯
施根
馬迪．費蘭迪斯（１球十二碼）
By Raul Gonzalez @ ＨＫＣＭ 西甲07-08第16週
Christmas Clásico
Phil BallNo prizes for guessing this week's topic, and I apologise in advance for a potential fortnight writing about the big two, but c'est la vie. One interesting aspect of 'El Clásico' anyway is the fact that there is always a before and an after, a pre-date and a post-date. It's very rare for a Barça v Real Madrid to be played outside of the context of the top three, and next week's clash is no exception.
If it's anywhere near as good as last season's 3-3 draw in the Camp Nou then we're in for a treat, but let's not raise the expectations too high for now. It may be a more cautious affair, since a point would suit Madrid just fine, keeping them four points ahead and more or less assuring them of the leading spot at the half-way stage to the season.
However, as you may have read here before, the Christmas break represents a more crucial psychological frontier than the mere official completion of the 19 games in January, and Madrid have already assured themselves of a lead going into the Yuletide rest. They'd obviously prefer a seven-pointer, but that seems unlikely, despite the leader's good form.
Still, hope springs eternal. It's never a nice thing to admit, but a large percentage of Madrid must have breathed a collective sigh of relief on Saturday night at precisely 22.43 local time when Messi fell to the floor in the Mestalla and started pointing at his knee.
Through all the torment of the past months, Messi has remained constant, a delight to watch as well as an inspiration to his team-mates, in terms of simple work-rate. Madrid, like every other team on the planet, are terrified of the little Argentine, and will be relieved that they won't have to worry about him next Sunday.
But every silver lining has a cloud. Barcelona looked a different side with Eto'o up front again, apparently back to full fitness after his injury. His first goal after 12 minutes in the Valencia's Mestalla stadium was sublime, taking the ball past Marchena and Helguera, pivoting at speed onto his left foot and rifling the ball high to Cañizares' right, up where the spiders make their webs.
It was a perfect example of grace and aggression, allied to self-belief. Eto'o lacks many things, but self-confidence is not one of them. When it all comes together, there are fewer better forwards on the planet. Valencia are struggling at the moment, but it cannot be allowed to detract from the forward's performance.
Real Madrid may fear Messi, but Eto'o has habitually given them grief, right from the day he packed his Bernabéu bags and left for Mallorca. His scoring record against them is impressive, as if he needs to constantly vindicate himself in their presence. The fact that they wouldn't take him on has permanently riled him. He's always dangerous, but against Real Madrid more so.
Another question that is occupying the nation's keyboards at the moment is whether he will or whether he won't - Ronaldinho of course.
Against Valencia his expensive bum was once again warming the bench, but in a game that was pretty much resolved with half an hour to go, he didn't even get to warm up on the touchline. Short of match practice these days, a little run-out against a clueless Valencia would have done no harm, but it didn't happen. Giovani, Bojan and Deco were all brought into the fray, but not the goofy one.
One is left to one's own conclusions regarding Rijkaard's thinking, but at the moment the side don't seem to need him, with or without Messi. It may be that Rijkaard will decide to throw him in against Madrid, simply to give the opposition something to think about, but the truth is that when things are going for them, Barça seem to have quality to spare.
Gudjohnsen, for example, is a player underestimated by the Spanish press in general, but he rarely plays a poor game. On Saturday night his link play was perfect, dropping deep and helping to channel the moves, and then getting forward and threatening to score whenever the play had not come through him. He deserved his goal and looked very effective.
Now Barça will be in a better mood to take on Madrid - which is exactly how they planned it. Believe it or not, this was their first away win since they beat Levante 1-4 back in the mellow shadows of late September. Just as well that that their home record's been good.
Turning to Valencia for a moment, it was as if everything that Barça appeared to have, the home side lacked. It's easy to say that Valencia have no Messi, no Iniesta and no Xavi, but less obvious to say that they have no Gudjohnsen.
Arizmendi began the game playing behind Morientes, because of David Villa's absence, but his utter inability to link the play between the midfield and the forward line was horribly conspicuous.
Then again, it's difficult to say exactly what constitutes Valencia's midfield at the moment. Joaquín and Silva both prefer to play out wide, but if there is no-one to supply them (as there wasn't on Saturday) they both move infield where they are less effective. When Morientes went off injured, Vicente came on, but played in a withdrawn position on the left, where he simply got in the way of the theoretical link between the awful Moretti and the strangely subdued Silva.
Valencia, when they do their stuff, are all about power and speed, plus a solid rearguard. But Albelda and Marchena look suddenly less comfortable now that Ayala has gone, and Helguera simply looks lost in some sort of fog of his own making.
Once upon a time in Madrid, Helguera played as a sweeper behind Hierro and did it very effectively, until, that is, he was asked to come out of that role and play as a centre-back himself. The truth is that he doesn't do it very well. Barcelona looked (as did Chelsea last week) as if they could score every time they attacked anywhere near him, and in the end Albelda and Marchena resorted to the hard stuff in order to stem the tide.
It wasn't a pretty sight, especially given that these two are still the fulcrum of Luis Aragonés' national side. Another chap who no longer plays for the 'selección', Cañizares, was just about the only Valencia player to emerge with any credit.
Ronald Koeman and his assistant, his old buddy José Mari Bakero, are not having an easy baptism, to say the least. It must have been strange for the two of them, sitting there watching their team playing so poorly. You got the feeling that if the two of them had got changed at half-time and donned the white shirts, the Valencia midfield would have started to function.
The two of them usually dominated a certain zone of the park, where opponents would fear to tread. But they were not simply destructive. Both of them could score goals, but above all they were supreme organisers, at the same time as they protected other, more skilful team-mates. At the moment, Valencia have no organisers at all. Albelda can do the job, but not all alone. With fellow-city dwellers Levante propping up the table, it's looking like a bleak Christmas over Valencia way.
Not so in Spain's capital. As we saw last week. Atlético have finally got their act together, but Real Madrid continue their own particular rollercoaster. Have they peaked too soon? Well, that depends on whether you think they're playing really well, or if they're just continuing to be effective, in a pragmatic, Capello sort of way.
They certainly look stronger at the back now, and Pepe may yet prove to be a significant signing. He played well in midweek when Madrid won their Champions group (for the first time in three years) and looks powerful as well as good on the ball. Cannavaro is obviously a good defender, but he's not exactly Mr Big. But with Pepe alongside him, Diarra in front of him and Sergio Ramos thundering around, Madrid suddenly ooze physical power.
The recent inclusion of the Beast, Baptista, is also significant in this sense, and shows how Schuster manages to see the worth in everyone. Baptista is indeed a decent player, but also a physically powerful one; so by playing him 'in the hole', Raúl and Van Nistlerooy seem to get even more goodies coming their way.
The midfield isn't quite right yet; Guti still can't hold a place down and Sneijder blows hot and cold, neat player though he is. Robinho is fine when the opposition leave space for him to operate, but I'm still not convinced by his ability to function when the going gets tough.
But something's working. Schuster has managed what no other Madrid manager has managed over the past four years; to bring the squad together in some sort of harmony, all for one and one for all. There's some steel in the collective at the moment, as evidenced by the fact that they've now won their last fifteen games on the trot in the Bernabéu.
Eto'o may scare them, but Van Nistlerooy also scares Barça, and for good reason. It might not turn out to be a classic clásico, but I'm sure looking forward to it.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=491597&root=europe&cc=4716 From La Liga Loca:
Meanwhile in Castle Greyskull, Rámon Calderón has been a busy bigwig and gibbering away to anyone that will listen, ahead of Sunday's Classico. To counter the criticisms of him using Real Madrid has a giant presidential cookie jar, Calderón flew to Japan to the World Club Championships - just to have a nice chit chat with AC Milan's VP - before flying back to the Spanish capital, thus missing the final of the tournament.
On his return, Calderón boasted that the president of the Spanish Federation, Angel Villar - who is an idiot, by the way - called Raul, "the best player in Spain." On a roll, Calderon then proceeded to give the now famous boast that, "Kaka wouldn't get into the Real Madrid squad."
However, the absolute corker was his defence of the odious Ultras Sur. "I only have good things to say about them," beamed Calderón, praising the fact that the club has avoided being fined for any of the antics, this season. A bit like thanking a hoodie for not mugging you really.
Overlooking their recent threats to a journalist, abuse of Basque teams and charming Nazi salutes at last week's Lazio game, the Bernabeu bigwig commented that "their banners can be critical, but it's freedom of expression."
The same freedom expression that had security guards removing all anti-Calderón banners before last season's Betis Copa del Rey match perhaps?
In the Kingdom of Cataluyna, Joan Laporta has been complaining that the local Barcelona media simply aren't obsequious enough.
"I would like to get the same support in the press here, as Madrid get," finger-wagged the Camp Nou chieftain at the club's media Christmas dinner - a man who clearly hasn't picked up a copy of Marca, or indeed Mundo Deportivo recently.
http://laligaloca.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html#6197962287993653045 薩拉戈薩冇士氣ge同時
華西更糟:icon116: 同級對決 ,希望點都搶到分:icon021: 原帖由 Eric Fong 於 2007-12-2118:25 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
薩拉戈薩冇士氣ge同時
華西更糟:icon116:
今季嘅皇家薩拉戈薩..
士氣問題也許出現在技戰術配合問題之後, 兩者同時出現就真係作死咯..:icon126:
踢得悅目不再, 接近完全靠迪亞高.米列圖同列卡度.奧利華拉兩個一齊甚或自己拆掂, 唉.................... 原帖由 Raul_Gonzalez 於 2007-12-2107:38 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
今季嘅皇家薩拉戈薩..
士氣問題也許出現在技戰術配合問題之後, 兩者同時出現就真係作死咯..:icon126:
踢得悅目不再, 接近完全靠迪亞高.米列圖同列卡度.奧利華拉兩個一齊甚或自己拆掂, 唉.................... ...
出曬D 前鋒囉
雙核心威力不再:icon101: 原帖由 TAMTOM 於 2007-12-2119:40 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
出曬D 前鋒囉
雙核心威力不再:icon101:
近幾場而言, 係"早前個4前鋒陣威力不再"..:icon101: 原帖由 Raul_Gonzalez 於 2007-12-2107:41 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
近幾場而言, 係"早前個4前鋒陣威力不再"..:icon101:
:icon101:
不過艾馬同大頭走都應該係時間問題 原帖由 TAMTOM 於 2007-12-2119:42 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
:icon101:
不過艾馬同大頭走都應該係時間問題
我諗域陀.費蘭迪斯(再次)離隊可能會更早發生..:icon101: 原帖由 TAMTOM 於 2007-12-2107:42 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
:icon101:
不過艾馬同大頭走都應該係時間問題
呢兩條友自己本身都飄忽不定 國家打比
米蘭市打比
倫敦打比
打甩比:icon101: 艾美利亞個正選龍係咪D. Cobeño 艾馬回歸:icon124: :icon101: :icon101: :icon101: :blow: 原帖由 熱刺#29戴維斯 於 2007-12-2120:55 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
呢兩條友自己本身都飄忽不定
:icon075:
喺得益於佢地嘅創意之餘, 皇家薩拉戈薩受害於佢地嘅不穩..:( 原帖由 小聰聰 於 2007-12-2201:45 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
艾美利亞個正選龍係咪D. Cobeño
是的, 主力門將及射手皆為皇家馬德里近期青訓產品..:icon101: 原帖由 FlyingDonkey 於 2007-12-2202:15 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
艾馬回歸:icon124: :icon101: :icon101: :icon101: :blow:
你是奇丁嗎?:icon101: 原帖由 Raul_Gonzalez 於 2007-12-2107:38 PM 發表 http://hkcm.hkehost.net/forum/images/common/back.gif
今季嘅皇家薩拉戈薩..
士氣問題也許出現在技戰術配合問題之後, 兩者同時出現就真係作死咯..:icon126:
踢得悅目不再, 接近完全靠迪亞高.米列圖同列卡度.奧利華拉兩個一齊甚或自己拆掂, 唉.................... ...
薩拉戈薩只要一場發揮出佢地應有ge技術及戰術ge勝仗
相反華西ge勝仗恐怕只會加速大清洗ge進行:icon003: