Originally posted by 阿sa at 30-5-2005 11:19 PM:
何以知之?:icon101:
好似有節目講過
定係睇新聞
Originally posted by TinTin at 2005-6-14 19:21:
你係咪有D高估亮哥 ge 軍事才能 :icon101:
我個人覺得佢同呂蒙差幾班 :icon081:
呂蒙好似冇咩打過實際上既大戰 點見佢軍事才能
孔明唔係冇軍事才能 只係佢對手太高+內部問題ja
Originally posted by siriusss at 2005-6-14 06:35 PM:
咪係,代價太大啦...唔要荊州
其實蜀漢都係得一部份既荊州o者
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-14 02:59 PM:
其實蜀漢都係得一部份既荊州o者
但係有同無分別太大 la,而且蜀漢佔果part 仲要係最重要同有用 ga tim :icon101:
無左果part
蜀漢個後門完全開曬,仲有北上再無其他路去 :o
Originally posted by TinTin at 2005-6-15 06:10 PM:
但係有同無分別太大 la,而且蜀漢佔果part 仲要係最重要同有用 ga tim :icon101:
無左果part
蜀漢個後門完全開曬,仲有北上再無其他路去 :o
究竟襄陽重要定南郡重要,我都唔係好清楚
但係我覺蜀佔果部份荊州至多係有牽制作用,
由漢中入關中應該先係最符合蜀國情況既路線
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-15 01:39 AM:
究竟襄陽重要定南郡重要,我都唔係好清楚
但係我覺蜀佔果部份荊州至多係有牽制作用,
由漢中入關中應該先係最符合蜀國情況既路線
唔清楚好正常
我都係聽人講 ga ja :icon101:
漢中入關中仲有超遠先到首都(仲有重重關口,重要係最難果幾個 :icon101:)
但係荊州北上近超多(關口都有,但係對比長安去許昌易好多)
呢個牽制真係唔少野 ga :icon081:
Originally posted by TinTin at 2005-6-15 07:07 PM:
唔清楚好正常
我都係聽人講 ga ja :icon101:
漢中入關中仲有超遠先到首都(仲有重重關口,重要係最難果幾個 :icon101:)
但係荊州北上近超多(關口都有,但係對比長安去許昌易好多)
呢個牽制真係唔少野 ...
劉邦不取荊楚亦能平定天下
由荊州起兵,一定要肯定孫吳不會抽後腿,這已經沒有可能的了
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-15 19:30:
劉邦不取荊楚亦能平定天下
由荊州起兵,一定要肯定孫吳不會抽後腿,這已經沒有可能的了
個時齊國有亂 項羽調哂關中主要軍力去打先令劉邦有機ja
要係關中一帶硬拚好難架
Originally posted by AirKID at 2005-6-15 08:31 PM:
個時齊國有亂 項羽調哂關中主要軍力去打先令劉邦有機ja
要係關中一帶硬拚好難架
吳國係合肥同荊州都牽制左魏軍啦
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-15 20:34:
吳國係合肥同荊州都牽制左魏軍啦
吳軍幾次起兵都大敗而回
連陸遜都唔夠打
而且吳蜀兩國好多時都唔係同一時間起兵
好難有好效果
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-15 02:30 AM:
劉邦不取荊楚亦能平定天下
由荊州起兵,一定要肯定孫吳不會抽後腿,這已經沒有可能的了
係關中打,真係打到死都未過到重重關口 :icon101:
人地後面D接力軍隊之多,唔係項羽果時可以比 ga,而且魏軍仲係主守 tim,蜀軍條補給 line 之長,真係頂到咁耐 :icon101:
孫吳點會唔抽後腿,呢點外交幾勁都逃不開 ga la :icon081:
[ Last edited by TinTin on 15-6-2005 at 03:57 AM ]
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-15 03:34 AM:
吳國係合肥同荊州都牽制左魏軍啦
點叫牽制
吳國完全無力北上 :icon101:
Originally posted by AirKID at 2005-6-15 03:38 AM:
吳軍幾次起兵都大敗而回
連陸遜都唔夠打
而且吳蜀兩國好多時都唔係同一時間起兵
好難有好效果
無計,書信往來用太多時間 la
而且吳軍固守就得,強攻完全唔得 :icon101:
Originally posted by TinTin at 2005-6-15 08:47 PM:
係關中打,真係打到死都未過到重重關口 :icon101:
人地後面D接力軍隊之多,唔係項羽果時可以比 ga,而且魏軍仲係主守 tim,蜀軍條補給 line 之長,真係頂到咁耐 :icon101:
孫吳點會唔抽後腿,呢點外交幾勁都逃 ...
sorry睇錯野....改返
荊州對孫吳既重要性,孫權對荊州志在必得
咁蜀點要荊州做北伐大本營?
[ Last edited by joekjen on 15-6-2005 at 11:41 PM ]
Originally posted by TinTin at 2005-6-15 08:49 PM:
點叫牽制
吳國完全無力北上 :icon101:
無力北上=魏軍唔使派兵駐守?
最重要係蜀國缺乏騎兵,係荊州北取許都無可避免要同曹魏既騎兵決一死戰,咁又會有勝算?
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-15 21:03:
無力北上=魏軍唔使派兵駐守?
魏國本來就夠實力分兩路抗敵
魏軍仲只係放最必需既兵力落去守吳 大部份兵力去守蜀
蜀國點打都冇計啦
Originally posted by AirKID at 2005-6-15 10:44 PM:
魏國本來就夠實力分兩路抗敵
魏軍仲只係放最必需既兵力落去守吳 大部份兵力去守蜀
蜀國點打都冇計啦
根據當時情況,由荊州北伐既可行性唔見得比取關中易
忽發奇想：果時西涼錦馬超點樣殺入長安的？
蜀漢又可否照辦煮碗？
Originally posted by 沉睡的藍 at 2005-6-16 01:19 AM:
忽發奇想：果時西涼錦馬超點樣殺入長安的？
蜀漢又可否照辦煮碗？
發現唔到史書有乜明確計載,馬超一作亂就已經可以據潼關
可能長安係馬騰未入許都時已為其控制