Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-16 06:54:
發現唔到史書有乜明確計載,馬超一作亂就已經可以據潼關
可能長安係馬騰未入許都時已為其控制
馬超傳有講過佢攻陷長安再打潼關喎...
佢係西涼起精騎兵 加上曹操移左大軍準備攻吳 佢先可以狂風掃落葉咁攻佔關中ja
蜀國都唔夠騎兵
Originally posted by AirKID at 2005-6-16 10:38 AM:
馬超傳有講過佢攻陷長安再打潼關喎...
佢係西涼起精騎兵 加上曹操移左大軍準備攻吳 佢先可以狂風掃落葉咁攻佔關中ja
蜀國都唔夠騎兵
"超既統眾，遂與韓遂合從，及楊秋、李堪、成宜等相結，進軍至潼關"
我剩係搵到這句
同埋據資治通鑒所記,當時曹操命司隸校尉鐘繇討伐張魯,仲派夏侯淵率軍會合
跟住馬超以為係打佢
我引返之後既事個句
"關中諸將果疑之,馬超、韓遂、侯選、程銀、楊秋、李堪、張橫、梁興、成宜、馬玩等十部皆反,其眾十萬,屯據潼關 "
[ Last edited by joekjen on 16-6-2005 at 11:16 AM ]
Originally posted by 沉睡的藍 at 2005-6-15 08:19 AM:
忽發奇想：果時西涼錦馬超點樣殺入長安的？
蜀漢又可否照辦煮碗？
突擊 :icon023:
蜀果時係人都知唔係你打我就人打你,點突,關羽呢次都已經算突擊 ga la :icon101:
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-15 06:14 PM:
"超既統眾，遂與韓遂合從，及楊秋、李堪、成宜等相結，進軍至潼關"
我剩係搵到這句
同埋據資治通鑒所記,當時曹操命司隸校尉鐘繇討伐張魯,仲派夏侯淵率軍會合
跟住馬超以為係打佢
我引返之後既事個句
"關中諸將果疑之,馬超、韓遂、侯選、程銀、楊秋、李堪、張橫、梁興、成宜、馬玩等十部皆反,其眾十萬,屯據潼關 "
西涼兵成十萬 :eek:
以呢個數目同咁快速 ge 行軍,軍隊上下一鼓作氣,開頭 win 到一D都唔奇
不過戰事一耐,內部問題完全出曬黎,想唔敗都幾難 :icon101:
不過馬超起兵 ge 時機真係幾好 :icon060:
真係冇乜計載馬超點樣"攻入"長安,反而如果話佢一路都盤據關中長安會更貼切
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-15 10:52 PM:
真係冇乜計載馬超點樣"攻入"長安,反而如果話佢一路都盤據關中長安會更貼切
可能守城果個超快投降 :icon101:
Originally posted by TinTin at 2005-6-16 05:33 PM:
可能守城果個超快投降 :icon101:
鍾生等左好耐無救兵
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-16 15:52:
真係冇乜計載馬超點樣"攻入"長安,反而如果話佢一路都盤據關中長安會更貼切
肯定有傳記講過鍾生負責守長安的...
Originally posted by AirKID at 2005-6-16 08:20 PM:
肯定有傳記講過鍾生負責守長安的...
有
不過曹生打緊江東嘛~
Originally posted by AirKID at 2005-6-16 08:20 PM:
肯定有傳記講過鍾生負責守長安的...
好明顯我地都唔想打鍾生個名~`
Originally posted by stephenlion at 2005-6-16 08:25 PM:
有
不過曹生打緊江東嘛~
曹操出兵合肥係209年既事
馬超起兵係211年原起係因為曹操叫鍾繇出兵打漢中同派夏侯淵率軍會合,
馬超同韓遂認為曹軍係打佢地先起兵
究竟鍾繇當時係唔係長安好有疑問,反而鍾繇傳有講佢經營洛陽既事
Originally posted by stephenlion at 2005-6-16 20:27:
好明顯我地都唔想打鍾生個名~`
唔識打佢個名:icon110:
Originally posted by AirKID at 2005-6-16 10:05 PM:
唔識打佢個名:icon110:
縣 :icon091:
Originally posted by 截拳道小子 at 2005-6-16 10:09 PM:
縣 :icon091:
繇=月山竹女火
Originally posted by 截拳道小子 at 2005-6-16 10:09 PM:
縣 :icon091:
wrong./..haha
講講下講馬超
不過改做三國討論 la :icon101:
查實馬超果時係咪真係咁多馬 ar :icon081:
Originally posted by TinTin at 2005-6-17 05:34 AM:
講講下講馬超
不過改做三國討論 la :icon101:
查實馬超果時係咪真係咁多馬 ar :icon081:
西涼多馬嘛
Originally posted by stephenlion at 2005-6-16 06:27 PM:
西涼多馬嘛
多到關中人都怕,個數目一定好驚人 :icon114:
Originally posted by TinTin at 2005-6-17 03:42 PM:
多到關中人都怕,個數目一定好驚人 :icon114:
西涼兵本身已經係精銳之師
曹操既評價係"關西兵精悍，堅壁勿與戰”,叫曹仁係主力大軍未到前唔好輕舉妄動
Originally posted by joekjen at 2005-6-16 11:17 PM:
西涼兵本身已經係精銳之師
曹操既評價係"關西兵精悍，堅壁勿與戰”,叫曹仁係主力大軍未到前唔好輕舉妄動
如果當日孔明第一次北上打下關西,西涼等
會唔會因為有左馬軍,關中大戰唔再無勝算 :icon101: