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[FM] What is "Lack of Managerial Discipline"? Under what circumstances?

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發表於 2005-8-16 13:43:13 | 顯示全部樓層 |閱讀模式
I found that 1/3 players especially some important players in my team said they concerned "Lack of Managerial Discipline". It happened when I granted 3-weeek leave to all players taking rest after one season and I took 2 weeks leave at the same period. Some players even worse to request "Transfer Listed". Why will it happen? Don't grant and take leave next time?
發表於 2005-8-16 18:58:24 | 顯示全部樓層
你go on holiday 兩個禮拜 ??
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 樓主| 發表於 2005-8-17 00:04:39 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by 阿爆 at 16-8-2005 06:58 PM:
你go on holiday 兩個禮拜 ??


Yes. I don't need to wait in front of the computer that it make me to do other things and I can do minimal things within these 2 weeks in July of the game. Thus, I go on holiday 2 weeks in the game because no game, no training, no transfer, no budget anounced, ....
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發表於 2005-8-17 00:59:30 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by fc at 2005-8-17 12:04 AM:


Yes. I don't need to wait in front of the computer that it make me to do other things and I can do minimal things within these 2 weeks in July of the game. Thus, I go on holiday 2 weeks in the  ...

.....你唔可以咁樣玩FM的..... 季與季之間既交接期點會係無野做... 無野做都要照continous game , 唔好go on holiday...
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 樓主| 發表於 2005-8-17 12:54:40 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by 阿爆 at 17-8-2005 12:59 AM:

.....你唔可以咁樣玩FM的..... 季與季之間既交接期點會係無野做... 無野做都要照continous game , 唔好go on holiday...


So...when and under what circumstances can I use "go on holiday"? It is a provision in the game.
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發表於 2005-8-17 13:04:51 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by fc at 2005-8-17 12:54 PM:


So...when and under what circumstances can I use "go on holiday"? It is a provision in the game.


咁唔係個個provision都要用gama

有個function叫retire 咁你係咪一定要用先
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 樓主| 發表於 2005-8-18 13:05:42 | 顯示全部樓層
Retire? I think I will try. If you don't try, you never know what it is for. It may have an unexpected good result if you use these functions on a right way. I don't know so I ask but not critisize.
Furthermore, I gave the players 3-week holidays for rest and I just took 2 weeks. It shouldn't affect any "Managerial Discipline". FM emphasize a real life football management. Should no holidays to both players and managers be a real life? I doubt it.
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發表於 2005-8-18 13:17:48 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by fc at 18-8-2005 01:05 PM:
Retire? I think I will try. If you don't try, you never know what it is for. It may have an unexpected good result if you use these functions on a right way. I don't know so I ask but not critisize ...

Even in summer time, many things can happen in 3 weeks. You have to deal with players, staffs or even agents. Playing games isn't all for being a football manager.
Can you absent from your job for 3 weeks and saying the boss complaining you isn't fair?
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發表於 2005-8-18 15:07:50 | 顯示全部樓層
MUD唔可以放假既咩?
基本上我都係好似 fc GUM 玩
LUM過一個 season 前向 option 渡較好 suspend training 日子
(當然會較埋pre seaon training 日子)
同踢完所有球賽之後向 training 較所有球員 resting
直到 6月1日 先 go on holiday(我一放起碼1個月)
玩左好耐未試過fc提既情況

[ Last edited by bocu77777 on 18-8-2005 at 03:08 PM ]
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 樓主| 發表於 2005-8-18 22:07:33 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by Keith at 18-8-2005 01:17 PM:

Even in summer time, many things can happen in 3 weeks. You have to deal with players, staffs or even agents. Playing games isn't all for being a football manager.
Can you absent from your job  ...


Please read carefully. I only took 2-week holidays. One week less than the players. Furthermore, there were no budget announced by my Board yet. No deal. It's a summer term break. Most real players and managers certainly will get holidays at that period in real life except there are some international competition like World Cup. I don't think it is strange to take leave 3 weeks or one month holidays. It is very common in Europe countries. At least, I know some manufacturers in Italy would take 1 to 2 months holidays in every Summer. That is your presumption only. I am quite fortunate that my boss will allow me to take leave 2 weeks in my real life otherwise it will be quite pity.
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 樓主| 發表於 2005-8-18 22:09:39 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by bocu77777 at 18-8-2005 03:07 PM:
MUD唔可以放假既咩?
基本上我都係好似 fc GUM 玩
LUM過一個 season 前向 option 渡較好 suspend training 日子
(當然會較埋pre seaon training 日子)
同踢完所有球賽之後向 training 較所有球員 re ...


Thanks for your sharing. At least, I know "go on holiday" is not the main reason to make the players thinking "Lack of Managerial Discipline".
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發表於 2005-8-18 22:35:56 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by fc at 18-8-2005 10:07 PM:


Please read carefully. I only took 2-week holidays. One week less than the players. Furthermore, there were no budget announced by my Board yet. No deal. It's a summer term break. Most real pla ...

Do the players have to worry about what training should carry out during summer time? Do the players have to worry about which part of the squad need to be strengthened? Do the players have to worry about the new tatics? Do the players have to worry about what other news in the football world? This is not reality but a game. There will be no factories that closed for 2 months. All the game has is news for you to handle. If that period of time really meaningless, why it is still in the part of the game? Why don't the game director just cut this part away and jump straight to the time when the transfer window open?
I can do loads of things during that period. I scout for players, check the contract of my players and my staff. I even start to bid for players. Why clubs fired the manager before the players? It is because the manager has a much more responsibilties than players. It is not a 2-week or 3-week matter.
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發表於 2005-8-18 23:20:34 | 顯示全部樓層
It seems you guys are arguing.................

Fine, the reason of "Lack of Managerial Discipline" MAY not be go on holiday, may be you haven't taken any action when your players haven't turned up for training ,or your players have been impolite to you, and you haven't taken any disciplinary action ,OK ?

last, i think you should be serious to consider go on holiday for TWO weeks, boss will not be delighted when you absent for so long.
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 樓主| 發表於 2005-8-19 03:00:57 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by Keith at 18-8-2005 10:35 PM:

... why it is still in the part of the game? Why don't the game director just cut this part away  


Why don't the game developer not cut the "go on holiday" away?
There are some successful case like bocu77777. If you say all things wrong because of "go on holiday", how do you explain the successful case. No problem even one month holidays.
There are really some factories closed for one to two months in summer time but I don't need you to believe my words.
I scout players during season because the scout can give more accurate comments when they watched players' performance in the matches.
I do buy the players in the preseason but only after budget announced and the transfer window start otherwise you can do nothing on transfer.
All news will be accummulated and can be read after the holidays. It just shows you never tried to use this function.
I think it is the best time to stop this topic now because there are some people who haven't this experience and haven't used this function but pretend expects here.
If you say you have this experience, I will appreciate your comment. But the truth tell me not.
Why clubs fired the manager before the players? It is because the manager has a much more responsibilties than players

Finally, I agree manager having responsibilities but not totally for this reason. Simple thinking.
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 樓主| 發表於 2005-8-19 03:07:25 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by Fantastic at 18-8-2005 11:20 PM:
It seems you guys are arguing.................

Fine, the reason of "Lack of Managerial Discipline" MAY not be go on holiday, may be you haven't taken any action when your players haven ...

Thank you for your positive comments. None of your quoted cases happened to me.

i think you should be serious to consider go on holiday for TWO weeks, boss will not be delighted when you absent for so long

I don't understand why there are people thinking of that 2 weeks is a too long holidays. One month is ok but 2 weeks is long?

By the way, I will keep on using "go on holiday" and find the answer by myself. Thanks those who gave positive comments and sharings.
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發表於 2005-8-19 04:36:21 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by fc at 2005-8-18 10:09 PM:
main reason to make the players thinking "Lack of Managerial Discipline".

出呢句主要得一個reason

無論o的人做咩你都唔會用 [Discipline Player for] 呢個function
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發表於 2005-8-19 09:04:37 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by fc at 19-8-2005 03:00 AM:


Why don't the game developer not cut the "go on holiday" away?
There are some successful case like bocu77777. If you say all things wrong because of "go on holiday", how do ...

I like this funtion and I do have used it. I didn't say going on holiday is a mistake. What I said is do not complain when you did something which will lead you to this problem. It is no more a 2-week or 1-month issue. It is the responsibility issue. You are acting as a football manager but not a kid. There is no summer holiday. It is a job. You cannot leave from your position for 2 weeks and say you'll handle it afterwards. I don't know what your boss think and why he allows for 2-week vacation. I think most of the workmen will be surprised that there are such a nice boss tolerating this happen. Although you are not really paid, but as a manager, what I heard from some magazine interview of managers, their holidays are no more than 7 days. This is your game and it's up to you. But I won't be glad to see someone complaining about something which is caused by definite reason.
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 樓主| 發表於 2005-8-19 11:55:08 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by Keith at 19-8-2005 09:04 AM:

I like this funtion and I do have used it. I didn't say going on holiday is a mistake. What I said is do not complain when you did something which will lead you to this problem. It is no more a 2 ...


My original intention is going to find the problem, unfortunate not solved yet, but not complain here. I do take the consequence and I already find the remedies to the players. I think I never tried to write some complaints here. Sorry to make you have this feeling, if any, and waste you valuable time.
Finally, in reality, 2 weeks holidays may be long to somebodies but not to other some. It just shows different world we are living. No need to query.
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發表於 2005-8-19 14:45:44 | 顯示全部樓層
其實一開始我仲以為FC POST錯地方
因為我由 cm0304  開始玩到而家   FM2005 個放假情序都係差唔多gum樣
都未見過gum既球員感想

但係如果你真係有呢個情況
我想會晤會係你就快過一個season時training 個 part做少左野

因為我發覺即使我向option較好 suspend training 日子
但係 到suspend 果日仲仍然見到球員係訓練中
到最後都係我自己手動較到去RESTING算
做下做下變成習慣

(如果你較好pre-season training 日子, 到左果日又識自動set 班球員去
pre season training plan)

對我黎講
go on holiday 唔會有問題,
反正過左一個SEASON 可以做既都係D 濕星野
如果有同好自己玩時唔可以放假
你咪試下跟我個 PROCEDURE 試下
就GUM
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 樓主| 發表於 2005-8-19 16:49:49 | 顯示全部樓層
Originally posted by bocu77777 at 19-8-2005 02:45 PM:
其實一開始我仲以為FC POST錯地方
因為我由 cm0304  開始玩到而家   FM2005 個放假情序都係差唔多gum樣
都未見過gum既球員感想

但係如果你真係有呢個情況
我想會晤會係你就快過一個season時training 個 par ...

Thanks suggestion.
Actually, I do the same as you and set no training beginning from 1st June.
I will try in different scenarios at next pre-season.
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