BROWN VS MARBURY

Hakkinen

The bickering between New York Knicks coach Larry Brown and point guard Stephon Marbury escalated into a verbal brawl on Wednesday after the team's morning shootaround, with Marbury saying their dispute has become personal and Brown claiming Marbury hasn't taken responsibility for his role in Knicks' disastrous season.

I think it's personal now," Marbury told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan, reacting to comments made by Brown on Tuesday. "I don't think it's about basketball anymore. Now it's to the point where he's putting his 30-year career against my 10-year career. You know, coach is a great coach is what everyone says. We're supposed to be better than what we are. Did it happen now? No."

He also said Brown's comments on Tuesday -- in which he put up his record against Marbury's, pointing out he'd never left a team in worse shape than when he took over, and asked reporters to compare respective track records -- were a sign of insecurity on Brown's part.

"He always crosses the line," Marbury told Sheridan. "That's not nothing new. Certain coaches deal with certain things certain ways, and he handles his things through the media as opposed to sitting down and talking with people. And still, if you sit down and you talk with coach, it's liable to get back to everybody, so you're really not safe there either."

Brown's reply?

"So, you're the best guard in the league and the team is 17-45, yeah, it's the coach's fault," Brown told Sheridan. "I don't know why you play a team sport and not be concerned about making your teammates better and helping your team win games. That's the only thing that really matters, and if you're the best player, surely you're going to have some effect on the game's outcome."

The media-fueled fistfight between Brown and Marbury began in earnest Saturday, when Marbury complained he had not been given enough freedom on offense. Marbury is a point guard who prefers to score, and Brown has been demanding on point guards throughout his career. There were doubts the two could get along, and the tension between them boiled over this week.

"We're 17 and 45. You want to say because we don't have freedom that's why we're losing?" Brown told reporters on Tuesday. "That's fine, you can say that all you want. But the reality is, we foul more than any team in the league; since the fifth week of the season we're the second-worst field-goal percentage defensive team in the league; we turn the ball over more than any team in the league; we're close to the fewest blocked shots of any team in the league.

"Now you want freedom? How are you gonna have freedom with those stats?"

On Saturday, Marbury said changing his play hadn't helped the team.

"I went into this year trying to do something, to put myself in a situation where we can win, OK?" Marbury was quoted as saying. "To help the team win games. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. So, what do I do now, as far as the way I play? I go back to playing like Stephon Marbury, aka Starbury. I haven't been Starbury this year. I've been some other dude this year."

Marbury followed that up with more discontent this week. Brown's response Tuesday: "That means, 'I ain't thinking about all those things that really are relevant. I ain't thinking about any of those things.' "

The coach also attacked comparisons between how he handled Allen Iverson while coach of the 76ers and how he's handling Marbury.

"[Iverson] came to every game trying to win, as hard as he possibly could," Brown said. "Played hurt, broken down, competed every single night, and we had a team around him that accepted what he could do. And they all knew that every single night he's trying to win the game. ... He competed every single minute of every game."

"I've been coaching how many years? A long time," Brown said. "I never left a team in worse shape than I got it. Not once. Now think about that. Think about me and think about the guy who's talking. All right? I've never asked anything of my players any different than I'm doing right now. Think about that.

"The bottom line is, I want us to rebound, defend, share the ball, play hard. That's all. Now if you can't do that, if that's not important enough to you, it's not on me."

Marbury's average of 17.2 points going into Wednesday was his lowest since he scored 15.8 per game as a rookie with Minnesota in 1996-97.

誰對誰錯,微笑老湯會唔會係背後偷笑

Penny仔

Marbury 忽然同Brown 開片,
陰謀論估計係微笑老湯背後支持Marbury咁做

Marbury今次真係幾令人失望

射手shooter

buyout囉~

Eggio

有Marbury係隔離,我真係覺得Steve Francis唔係咁uncoachable(at least佢打替補都仲未有complain)

Eggio

同埋我有預感遲早會有鎖喉事件發生

Hakkinen

原帖由 Eggio 於 2006-3-17  03:25 發表
有Marbury係隔離,我真係覺得Steve Francis唔係咁uncoachable(at least佢打替補都仲未有complain)

踢走marbury佢自己仲唔變番franchaise player 咩

TinTin

原帖由 Eggio 於 2006-3-16  10:25 AM 發表
有Marbury係隔離,我真係覺得Steve Francis唔係咁uncoachable(at least佢打替補都仲未有complain)

Francis 新黎報到﹐點敢咁快玩野

hehe0114

快d開大片啦

Smithy

食花生

Hakkinen

Marbury, Brown Moving On Together
By Tom Kertes

GREENBURGH, NY, March 16, 2006 -- Considering everything that’s been happening -- last night’s pulsating double OT victory, the extracurricular goings-on between Stephon Marbury and Larry Brown -- practice at the Knicks Madison Square Garden Training Center felt almost shocking in its every-day ordinariness. Brown practicing post moves with center Eddy Curry on one end. Marbury, who missed six out of ten from charity stripe against Atlanta, fixing his freebies with assistant George Glymph on the other.

No, there’s nothing new or different there -- until there is. “We spoke this morning,” says Marbury, looking remarkably cheerful. “Coach pulled me out of film and basically told me he can do whatever he wants with this franchise -- and that he didn’t want to trade me, that he wanted me to be here. And that everything that went on the last week is over with.”

“I’m in a very good place,” added Marbury. "I’m happy. Did I NEED him to say that? Nah. But if we are going to forward with the future, this is the only way it’s going to work.”

“As far as everything’s been going on, he has pretty much just killed it,” said Marbury. “He told me to play the way he wants me to play -- and if I don’t think it’s the right way just bear with it. And I didn’t say yes and I didn’t say no.”

“But, basically, I can do that and be happy -- with some tweaks. I feel like I can do anything I want to do on the basketball court. That’s the way the young kids played last night and I was very proud of them.”

“They played great. That’s the style we have to play,” stressed Marbury. “If you play great defense for Coach, he’ll allow you to do whatever you want to do as far as running and pushing the ball. But if we’re not playing defense, he doesn’t want you to just outscore the opponent.”

“That’s his priority. That’s his approach. And I’m down for what’s right. And I’m still committed to do exactly what he’s been asking.”

“Coach flexed the real hard juice card, I know that,” smiled Marbury. “He definitely made me aware of what he can do. But that doesn’t scare me at all. This can all turn around. We can make the adjustment. Anything is possible.”

It would appear so: when the starters were benched for the last quarter plus the two overtimes against Atlanta, and the “young kids” were winning the game, “I noticed that two guys, in particular, were up and cheering like crazy every minute, Quentin (Richardson) and Stephon,” Brown said. “And I told Steph I really appreciated that.”

The entire meeting was “maybe thirty seconds,” said an understated Brown. “Anyway, it was not very long. I told him I just wanted him to let us coach him the rest of the year. He’s not going anywhere and let’s move on.”

“I don’t remember enjoying another game more this year than last night,” said Brown. “And I enjoyed it even more on film. The young kids, the way they played together, their enthusiasm…I don’t think I have rewarded the guys that have come to work every day. But some of those kids are real young and you hope they understand. Look at Qyntel (Woods), the way his career’s been going. He starts against Memphis, played great -- then he sits the next five games. And look what he did last night (8-8 from the field). Jackie Butler, Nate (Robinson)... Jamal (Crawford) has bought in from day one… he’s probably sacrificed more than anyone, him and Quentin. Hopefully, we’ll get more and more guys thinking like that.”

“I’ve got fifteen guys,” added Brown. “And I guarantee you, no coach communicates more than me. I don’t buy the ‘fact’ that people don’t know what I expect. The bottom line is, I’ve got 19 games. Yesterday was as much fun as I’ve had. And hopefully, we’ll move forward.”

“I want Stephon here, this year and next,” said Brown. “Sure, if he’ll buy into what we try to do. I don’t think that impacts him in a negative way at all. I think it’ll help him. There’s no doubt in my mind he can do the things I ask him to do.”

“We’ve got to start to reward guys not based on big names or big contracts, but if they do what we ask them to do,“ said Brown. “Last night the difference in attitude, as far as playing together and enthusiasm, was pretty dramatic. So there was no way I was going to change the lineup. If I had gone back to the first group after the way those guys played, that would been the worst thing a coach could do.”

“This was our Summer League team out there -- think about that. They’re playing better and better. When you get that kind of effort and enthusiasm, good things will happen. Effort overcomes a lot. That’s the team of the future.”

睇怕呢場戲都有排睇
只不過會有表情戲變為內心戲

沙9

馬貝利好煩囉

木狼Szczerbiak

對速龍個場第四節開始唔出馬貝利..........即刻贏

射手shooter

原帖由 木狼Szczerbiak 於 2006-3-17  11:00 PM 發表
對速龍個場第四節開始唔出馬貝利..........即刻贏

久違了

老湯搵定對象吧

Hakkinen

原帖由 射手shooter 於 2006-3-17  23:38 發表


久違了

老湯搵定對象吧

老湯係幕後黑手來

木狼Szczerbiak

原帖由 射手shooter 於 2006-3-17  11:38 PM 發表


久違了

老湯搵定對象吧

唔係好耐者

小妖

Brown is no genius
posted: Thursday, March 23, 2006  |  Feedback
filed under: New York Knicks

I was as guilty as anyone. Last summer, when the Knicks were pursuing Larry Brown, I said on national TV that he was the best fit on the planet for Isiah Thomas' club. I also said Brown's brow-beating, micromanaging style was crucial to Detroit's success the past two years and that without him, the Pistons would not win the East (while that might yet prove true, it certainly won't be because of Brown's absence).

I was not alone in my exaltation of Brown. In NBA.com's annual preseason survey of GMs, Brown was voted the best coach in the league, and only 15 percent of GMs thought Detroit would win the East without him. Most GMs actually thought Indiana would beat out the Pistons for the Central Division crown, and 73 percent gave the East to Miami.

That makes me feel better about putting Brown on a pedestal, but as you might imagine, I've had a change of heart.

Since hardly anyone else is willing to say it, I will: Brown is overrated.

He's still a very good coach (historically speaking), but he's not the legendary genius he's been touted as the past two years. He's not in the class of Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson, Pat Riley and Gregg Popovich. And this year, he's been the worst coach in the league. By far.

Brown's been so bad that it's tempting to think he's purposely sabotaging the season. I refuse to make that claim because I can't imagine anyone doing that, but I also can't imagine that he's truly as overmatched as he appears to be.

When the Knicks hired Brown, one of his former players (a retired guy who had a long and productive NBA career) told me Brown was going to create a rift with his best player (Stephon Marbury) and break the Knicks down to rock bottom so that when he built them back up, he would look like a savior.

Obviously, the first part of that prediction has come true, but even if Brown turns the Knicks into a playoff team next season, he won't look like a savior to me. I don't think the Knicks should be nearly as bad as he's made them this year.

If Isiah Thomas had announced when he was hired that in two years, the Knicks would have Marbury, Steve Francis, Eddy Curry, Jalen Rose, Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Malik Rose and one of the league's top three or four rookies at power forward -- all being coached by Larry Brown -- New York would have gone bananas (in a good way).

So for all those ripping Isiah, save a little thunder for the head coach.

One highly-respected executive told me last week that "if anything, the Knicks have too much talent.'' He added that he can't understand the moves Brown's been making.

But I am not basing my demotion of Brown on this season alone. While he's had great success all over, he's also had too many missteps to be a "legendary'' coach. People make a lot out of him turning San Antonio from a 21-win team his first season into a 56-win team the next ('89), but the addition of David Robinson had more to do with that resurrection than Brown.

Then, in his fourth and final season in Indiana, Brown failed to get the Pacers into the playoffs. The next season, Larry Bird, who had never coached a game in his life, led those same Pacers to the conference finals.

And of course, there were the 2004 Olympics. Brown was as bad then as he has been this season. I know that team was poorly put together, but it still had two MVPs (Allen Iverson and Tim Duncan) and the four best young players in the world in LeBron James, Amare Stoudemire, Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony.

Yet Brown hardly played the youngsters, even though Anthony was his best shooter and one of the few guys with extensive experience against a zone defense. James made something good happen every time he entered the game, yet he got few minutes.

Why not press fullcourt when depth and athleticism are your major advantages? Why not double team Carlos Arroyo to take the ball out of his hands instead of letting him single-handedly lift Puerto Rico over Team USA?

Even in Detroit, folks forget that Brown's Pistons had lost 7 of 8 games before trading for Rasheed Wallace. Detroit was already a two-time 50-win team that had made the conference finals under Rick Carlisle the year before Brown got there. When Joe Dumars added Rasheed to that club, it was lights out. They went 20-5 the rest of the regular season.

But nobody knew at the time how good they were, so when the vastly underrated Pistons beat the mighty Lakers, who boasted four future Hall of Famers, in the 2004 Finals, the only explanation seemed to be that Brown had worked a coaching miracle.

Never mind that Karl Malone was hurt, or that Gary Payton was a physical shell of himself and in a mental funk because of Phil Jackson's triangle. Never mind that Shaq and Kobe were feuding.

That's when Brown went from being viewed as a very good coach to one of the top five of all-time.

Perhaps the only good thing about this Knicks season is that it has brought Brown, and the rest of us, back to reality.