假野調查組! #2

70869413

原帖由 kin 於 2008-7-13  09:19 PM 發表

以你的要求，我地只可以有香港球員的match worn啦，記得仲要影相做證，最好拍埋video，如果唔系又有人出來話，掂知你系唔系比件衫球員簽名扮野

唔需要咁多野
一張球會COA就得啦

lkw1819

原帖由 kin 於 2008-7-13  09:19 PM 發表

以你的要求，我地只可以有香港球員的match worn啦，記得仲要影相做證，最好拍埋video，如果唔系又有人出來話，掂知你系唔系比件衫球員簽名扮野

唔好意思wor
世界上有野叫做球會COA
如果我咁嘅要求都算有問題的話
Michael Yip 佢地點會有咁多真正match worn

再講,無論係你嘅態度定係你嘅listing topic我都覺得你想呃人

[ 本帖最後由 lkw1819 於 2008-7-14  01:30 AM 編輯 ]

P-BB

原帖由 louis902 於 2008-7-13  09:30 PM 發表

ignore it lor~
u have right to dislike it,but he has right to write it~
so it s none of our business~take easy la~

like it or not, take advantage of using improper eye-catching words that is NOT really related to the item (e.g. MATCHWORN for only a code7/match issued or even replica) already interferred with both Yahoo auction and Ebay policies.

ya... you have your right to list your items like this BUT remember, EVERYONE can report the problem to yahoo auction/ebay related departments and they will very likely to delete the problematic listing and cuations will be given out to the seller.

welcome to this online selling world.

70869413

原帖由 lkw1819 於 2008-7-13  09:04 PM 發表
worn者著過也
字面解釋基本上係要個球員踢完比賽，著過果一件衫

基於咁嘅角度,我都唔係太同意louis嘅match worn 做keyword論 ...

響個title度加多啲 keyword 唔係唔得
至少都要係事實
寫 Match Issued Not Worn 咪得囉
假如要賣件車仔主場
想d買家search Chelsea Home 或者 Away 都搵到
個title寫 Chelsea Home/Away 係咪好怪？

70869413

原帖由 P-BB 於 2008-7-14  02:13 AM 發表
like it or not, take advantage of using improper eye-catching words that is NOT really related to the item (e.g. MATCHWORN for only a code7/match issued or even replica) already interferred with bot ...

Agree...
if just for the purpose to let the search engine find your item, you can say "Not Match Worn".
There are a lot of ways to trick the search engine without putting in false or ambiguous keywords.

louis902

原帖由 P-BB 於 2008-7-14  02:13 AM 發表


like it or not, take advantage of using improper eye-catching words that is NOT really related to the item (e.g. MATCHWORN for only a code7/match issued or even replica) already interferred with bot ...

Frankly,i dunno why ur guys so care about the words~
i m not arguing and helping KIN~

As if u look at Ebay,many sellers always write the header Match Worn/Issued~
it is convenience for many buyers to search the player directly~Do u think they are telling lie??
i believe u can judge the shirt~some sellers may say,the shirt come from kitroom,so they don't sure it s worn or issued~but it must real player match shirt!

Also,Did Kin cheat ur guys???
u are right,u have right to complain to yahoo or ebay and cancel his auction~
but is it none of our business????why your guys keep on challenge him and this keyword????
does he takes the code 7 to pretend the match worn shirt???

louis902

原帖由 70869413 於 2008-7-14  06:24 AM 發表

響個title度加多啲 keyword 唔係唔得
至少都要係事實
寫 Match Issued Not Worn 咪得囉
假如要賣件車仔主場
想d買家search Chelsea Home 或者 Away 都搵到
個title寫 Chelsea Home/Away 係咪好怪？ ...

Indeed,Do u think ah Kin is cheating buyer???
i m not helping him~
just want to ask?

as he didn't take the replica shirt and write Match worn/Issued,if he did it, we can come out challeange him!!
but his auction's shirt is real player or match shirt~
Are u sure his shirt really not worn???
NO COA not equal it is not a match worn shirt!!!

i have many shirts which bought from pupi~
he didn't give me the COA too~~then is it my shirt =match issued?
if i resell it,am i cheating ppl????

i believe we can judge when we buy?
if u have question,u can ask~
i know Kin replied the attitude is not well,but i sure his shirt is match issued(at least)

louis902

原帖由 lkw1819 於 2008-7-14  01:24 AM 發表


唔好意思wor
世界上有野叫做球會COA
如果我咁嘅要求都算有問題的話
Michael Yip 佢地點會有咁多真正match worn

再講,無論係你嘅態度定係你嘅listing topic我都覺得你想呃人 ...

COA not all seller provided~
i can tell u ~even gus,pupi,lilla2004...those seller....also didn't provide any COA!!
then can u prove the shirt which is match unworn????

P-BB

原帖由 louis902 於 2008-7-14  08:56 AM 發表

Frankly,i dunno why ur guys so care about the words~
i m not arguing and helping KIN~

As if u look at Ebay,many sellers always write the header Match Worn/Issued~
it is convenience for many ...

we are not challenging any body but we are having discussion on a general phenomenon.
many people doing the same WRONG thing and they are not caught DOES NOT mean doing such thing is still correct.

if a seller has doubts or uncertainty about where the shirt came from, he should have mention it like: "the shirt comes from the kitroom, not sure if it's match worn of not..." that is exactly like u have said, louis.
and i have never used the word "CHEAT", but since u are using it or if the seller of a shirt was being "cheated" or misleaded by an original seller of the shirt, he should have taken the lost himself instead of doing the same thing to keep the shame going on by doing the same trick on other buyers.

and just like as this topic says in this section. we are trying to help out fellow members to buy shirts wisely instead of creating any arguement/fight here.
please DO NOT take anything as an offense.
period.

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kin

原帖由 lkw1819 於 2008-7-14  01:24 AM 發表


唔好意思wor
世界上有野叫做球會COA
如果我咁嘅要求都算有問題的話
Michael Yip 佢地點會有咁多真正match worn

再講,無論係你嘅態度定係你嘅listing topic我都覺得你想呃人 ...

我每件衫都唔系code7 or DIY 扮 match worn or match issue, 你可以指出我邊件衫有問題，而唔系話你覺得點就系點，相信大部份人都無COA，我咁多件match worn/issue 只系得FDG-ONLUS charity 賣的有提供，不過唔系球會提供的COA，而系ebay+FDF_ONLUS的證明文件。我都唔知球員有無著過，又無球會COA，咁唔知你又有咩意見。
我的態度系因應你所提出問題的程度作相對調整，同有無動機呃人無任何羅輯關系。

kin

原帖由 P-BB 於 2008-7-14  02:13 AM 發表


like it or not, take advantage of using improper eye-catching words that is NOT really related to the item (e.g. MATCHWORN for only a code7/match issued or even replica) already interferred with bot ...

咁有咩問題都可以問左先，未問就話我唔知咩叫match worn，又話我呃人，你系我yahoo auctions 一句就話我知唔知咩叫match worn, 你態度有無問題呀，我回答得好客氣問你有咩問題請指教。
請各位講出來我邊件賣緊的衫系code 7 or DIY 扮match worn/issue 先得，毫無論據就唔好亂講

[ 本帖最後由 kin 於 2008-7-14  10:29 AM 編輯 ]

pirates911

問下知唔知咩叫MATCH WORN有咩問題
同問下人知唔知咩叫CODE7....知唔知曼聯踢咩聯賽差唔多JE
知咪答唔知咪請教LOR....同態度有咩關係....
就算有人覺得你呃人....你都唔洗咁燥GA....
搞到好似比人講中咁就唔好啦

P-BB

seems like he still doesn't understand the problem:

"Matchworn" in the title of the listing but not in the description on a non-matchworn shirt in the auction.

stepbystep

to be very honest!
It's hardly to tell people if it is match worn or not, what's the defination of match worn?  Worn by player?  Worn by the kitman? or Worn by yourself?
In many situation, buyers like me will just simply trust the seller who sell the shirts to me, i can pay a lot more for the buyer i trust instead of a whatever random people who offer me.
So, if the seller told me the shirt is match worn, when i resell it, i will just tell the same.  Even the shirt is a real match worn, i still can't be 100% sure or prove that it is.  Unless you have a COA from a very reliable source like MEIGRAY GROUP and MEARS for NBA jersey.

In conclusion, if you can point out what's wrong with a seller's shirt or you can prove that it's not a match worn, you can judge the seller or the item, but if not, TRUST or NOT it all depends on you your-own-self and do not challenge the seller, we are from Hong Kong, we are not the kitmans or the players.

that's all my words!

[ 本帖最後由 stepbystep 於 2008-7-14  11:57 AM 編輯 ]

70869413

原帖由 louis902 於 2008-7-14  09:02 AM 發表

Indeed,Do u think ah Kin is cheating buyer???
i m not helping him~
just want to ask?

as he didn't take the replica shirt and write Match worn/Issued,if he did it, we can come out challeange him!!
bu ...

I don't think KIN is cheating buyer.
But to use "Match Worn/Issued" in the title is unclear and ambiguous.
It is like saying "Chelsea Home/Away".
So is it really Home or Away?
Of course people can ask, but wouldn't it be easier and save more time to make it clearer in the title in the first place?
I don't care whether a shirt is actually match worn or not.
It is just weird in eBay and Yahoo that everyone put extra unrelated or "misleading" keywords to increase hit rate but actually make the potential buyers confused.
A title like "Manchester United Man Utd New 08 2008 Home Away Third 3rd Shirt Jersey Rooney Ronaldo Tevez Giggs Scholes" can surely be easily found on the search engine, but is damn confusing. And these kind of titles seem to appear more and more frequently now.

70869413

原帖由 louis902 於 2008-7-14  09:05 AM 發表

COA not all seller provided~
i can tell u ~even gus,pupi,lilla2004...those seller....also didn't provide any COA!!
then can u prove the shirt which is match unworn????

If the seller is not sure then don't mention it in the title!
Just explain it in the description of the auction that the seller is not sure the shirt is match worn or not, and that is a lot clearer and can avoid a lot of dispute after the sale.

70869413

原帖由 stepbystep 於 2008-7-14  11:56 AM 發表
to be very honest!
It's hardly to tell people if it is match worn or not, what's the defination of match worn?  Worn by player?  Worn by the kitman? or Worn by yourself?...

I always thought match worn means worn by player during a football match. I am not aware of any other definition...?

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lkw1819

原帖由 70869413 於 2008-7-14  12:05 PM 發表

I always thought match worn means worn by player during a football match. I am not aware of any other definition...?

That's the main point

lkw1819

原帖由 kin 於 2008-7-14  10:20 AM 發表

咁有咩問題都可以問左先，未問就話我唔知咩叫match worn，又話我呃人，你系我yahoo auctions 一句就話我知唔知咩叫match worn, 你態度有無問題呀，我回答得好客氣問你有咩問題請指教。
請各位講出來我邊件賣緊的衫系code 7  ...

請回答:件衫到底有無比果位球員著黎踢過比賽?

70869413

原帖由 kin 於 2008-7-14  10:20 AM 發表
咁有咩問題都可以問左先，未問就話我唔知咩叫match worn，又話我呃人，你系我yahoo auctions 一句就話我知唔知咩叫match worn, 你態度有無問題呀，我回答得好客氣問你有咩問題請指教。...

Again I don't care whether the item is match worn or not.
But it is just really really really confusing to see the title:

          "意大利國際米蘭04歐冠球員版match worn VIERI ac milan italy juventus lazio"

Is it really 國際米蘭 or ac milan?
Is it 球員版 or match worn?
Is it italy or juventus or lazio?

It is not cheating, just confusing.