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 樓主| 發表於 2007-10-9 07:27:04 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-10-9  00:12 發表


individually計...
個陣的外星人恐怖d
真係無弱點..
唔使做假動作,爆一爆都收你皮個隻
原帖由 ~~Miguel~~ 於 2007-10-9  03:09 發表

Absolutely.我認為暫時無人可以同Ronaldo比.


齋計個人屈機, 當年只此一季嘅朗拿度@巴卡實在屈得太離譜..
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 樓主| 發表於 2007-10-9 07:29:51 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 Zero 於 2007-10-8  21:37 發表


這個我明白啦, 論全面美斯更恐怖...
只是我當年錯過了外星人全盛時期的奔襲表演...
我想知道還會比美斯更屈嗎?


美斯終究會倚靠技巧, 速度不一定是他突破的重點..但當年的朗拿度極端好扭之餘, 有時仲可以齋屈速度..
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發表於 2007-10-9 09:40:37 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 Raul_Gonzalez 於 2007-10-9  07:29 AM 發表


美斯終究會倚靠技巧, 速度不一定是他突破的重點..但當年的朗拿度極端好扭之餘, 有時仲可以齋屈速度..

講身體都會係Ronaldo強吧. 強壯得太恐怖,左右腳皆能.

一諗返起哥季,我又會即刻愛上返佢. 真係好想知如果當年既佢活0係呢3年既Chelsea到, Jose會唔會用/點用佢.
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 樓主| 發表於 2007-10-9 10:06:04 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 ~~Miguel~~ 於 2007-10-9  09:40 發表

講身體都會係Ronaldo強吧. 強壯得太恐怖,左右腳皆能.

一諗返起哥季,我又會即刻愛上返佢. 真係好想知如果當年既佢活0係呢3年既Chelsea到, Jose會唔會用/點用佢. ...


我不能否認, 我最愛朗拿度的一刻, 肯定是西甲96-97, 皇家馬德里 2:0 巴塞隆拿, 客隊#9於我們球門白界前心口一控, 送不了懸空的皮球入網, 卻替我們解圍..
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發表於 2007-10-9 12:48:10 | 顯示全部樓層
而家係西乙排緊中游既切爾達炒o左史杜捷哥夫

由前皇馬教練Caro 代替
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發表於 2007-10-9 13:26:05 | 顯示全部樓層
話就話身體不會令你上唔到神台,但點都叫做弱點gwa,更何況呢代好似多左好多有身高而高速既球員(定係我眼花?)

我覺得朗拿度仲係外星人個時比神台個兩位有過之冇不及
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發表於 2007-10-9 17:07:00 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 杰少仔 於 2007-10-9  01:26 PM 發表
話就話身體不會令你上唔到神台,但點都叫做弱點gwa,更何況呢代好似多左好多有身高而高速既球員(定係我眼花?)

我覺得朗拿度仲係外星人個時比神台個兩位有過之冇不及 ...



比利喪的....
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發表於 2007-10-9 17:49:22 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 杰少仔 於 2007-10-9  01:26 PM 發表
話就話身體不會令你上唔到神台,但點都叫做弱點gwa,更何況呢代好似多左好多有身高而高速既球員(定係我眼花?)

我覺得朗拿度仲係外星人個時比神台個兩位有過之冇不及 ...

老馬的威力更可怕........
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 樓主| 發表於 2007-10-10 04:07:13 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 杰少仔 於 2007-10-9  13:26 發表
話就話身體不會令你上唔到神台,但點都叫做弱點gwa,更何況呢代好似多左好多有身高而高速既球員(定係我眼花?)

我覺得朗拿度仲係外星人個時比神台個兩位有過之冇不及 ...
原帖由 HackerWong 於 2007-10-9  17:07 發表



比利喪的....
原帖由 天才守門員 於 2007-10-9  17:49 發表

老馬的威力更可怕........


朗拿度係果種可以純粹憑個人入球多寡去評價嘅球員, 但比利同馬勒當拿都唔係..
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 樓主| 發表於 2007-10-10 07:13:59 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 小妖 於 2007-10-9  12:48 發表
而家係西乙排緊中游既切爾達炒o左史杜捷哥夫

由前皇馬教練Caro 代替


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發表於 2007-10-10 18:03:06 | 顯示全部樓層
利雲特見有咁多意大利人真係搵個意大利人教
廸拜亞斯
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發表於 2007-10-10 20:02:29 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 Raul_Gonzalez 於 2007-10-10  04:07 AM 發表




朗拿度係果種可以純粹憑個人入球多寡去評價嘅球員, 但比利同馬勒當拿都唔係..

其實應該係現時既Kobe 同當年既T-mac 分別 (用神既話好難找到比較)
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 樓主| 發表於 2007-10-11 06:54:14 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 Eggio 於 2007-10-10  18:03 發表
利雲特見有咁多意大利人真係搵個意大利人教
廸拜亞斯


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發表於 2007-10-11 20:44:39 | 顯示全部樓層
西甲中下游會成為新非洲傭兵登陸點嗎
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發表於 2007-10-11 22:49:41 | 顯示全部樓層

Levante 'win' the cup!

Phil Ball

After a veritable glut of La Liga action the previous week, this one has seemed a little tame in comparison, despite the Champions League action in which only Valencia let the side down. Having lost out to Chelsea in the Mestalla, they surprisingly lost by the same score in the same stadium on Saturday night, after taking the lead early on, just as they had done against Chelsea.

Spain quakes as it realises that seven of Valencia's players are in Luis Aragonés' squad to play the crucial qualifier in Denmark next weekend, although with David Villa limping off in the first half, it looks like the contingent will be reduced to six. Manager Quique Sánchez Flores quakes as he realises, once again, that a section of the crowd don't want him around. Sánchez has a haunted look about him, like a man who hasn't slept much recently.

Like Rafa Bénitez, who cut his teeth at the Mestalla and made his name, Quique is a rotation man. Ah rotations! Does anybody like them, apart from a small set of high-profile managers? Of course, to some extent they're a product of the modern game, in which the top clubs require a squad in which every position is covered by a half-decent mucker with a few international caps to his name.

You may recall in the old days when football nerds would happily recite whole line-ups as a late-night trivia pub trick. As an official nerd my favourite was always the eleven players who turned out for the Leeds side of the late 1960's and early 1970's, comprising Sprake, Reaney, Cooper, Bremner, Charlton, Hunter& et al, with the list ending in the wonderful phrase 'Sub, Bates'.

This was not Norman but rather Mick Bates, a bit-part player who always seemed to be the Number 12, as it was in those bygone days. Fathers would even give their children eleven or twelve middle names consisting of one of these fixed squads, only to be murdered by their offspring in later life.

Try doing that with the twenty-five man squads of today. They don't exactly roll off the tongue. And in footballing terms, the difference is extraordinary in the whole philosophy of 'the settled team'. That's because once you adopt the rotation system, you cannot do it by halves.

On Saturday night, Quique Sánchez played Angulo and Arizmendi on the wings, instead of Joaquín and Silva. All four are internationals (Arizmendi has one cap) but as the 'Marca' journalist José Luis Hurtado put it most succinctly, this was to 'swap skiing for taekwondo, silk for corduroy, grace for energy'.

It was also to swap two players who started the game against Chelsea for two who didn't, which makes sense in terms of the squad size, but which always proves unpopular when the side loses. More than unpopular, it is usually seen as the reason.

Well, hindsight's a fine thing, but Espanyol's role in the events should not be underestimated.

Once again Barcelona's other side are proving their doubters wrong, with two goals from their own recently called-up internationals, Albert Riera and Luis Garcia, ably abetted by the ever excellent Raúl Tamudo. Luis Aragonés, once again in the eye of the storm for not picking Real Madrid's Raúl for the Danish game, has done well to take Tamudo along, if only in Villa's absence.

Nothing against Espanyol, of course, but their pink away shirts are only marginally less excruciating than those of Sevilla's. Poor Sevilla lost again, however, this time at home in their altogether more acceptable white shirts, and now lie just one point above the relegation zone, albeit with a game fewer played.

Who would have thought at the beginning of the season? It looked as though they might have turned the tide in midweek with their 4-2 win over Sparta Prague, but no such luck.

Down in the table's nether regions, Levante prop up the rest with one point from seven games. They lost 3-0 away to Zaragoza, a side who have looked unconvincing so far this season and who were knocked out of the UEFA Cup surprisingly in midweek.

As a result on Monday Levante's manager Abel Resino became the first Spanish manager to bite the dust this season, a phenomenon known as 'La maldición de Octubre' (The October curse) which tends to strike with merciless regularity.

It's a shame Resino has been sacked, because he will now miss out on the possible celebrations in which the club will be indulging if they are indeed awarded the trophy that they won back in 1937 during the Spanish Civil War.

Well, not exactly 'awarded'. They have the trophy, but it has never been recognised in La Liga's (the Spanish Federation's) official record books. Official statistics are important in Spain, because they cut through political bias and historical revisionism - the country's twin Achilles Heels.

Levante, as their name might suggest, reside on the east coast of Spain, and are in fact Valencia's other team. I hesitate to say 'second team' since they were founded ten years before their now more illustrious neighbours.

Levante's earliest games were played on a pitch near the docks, on a plot of land which was the property of a perfume entrepreneur, but this port-area association gave Levante the sort of working-class cachet that saw them consider Valencia, founded in 1919, as come-lately snobs. The problem is that the snobs have won trophies and Levante haven't - but there's the rub, because they have.

During the second year of the civil war, the clubs who represented communities that had not yet fallen to the Nationalist troops formed a league, partly to keep football going during the hostilities and partly to cement a series of towns and cities together in a show of political solidarity.

It's an extraordinary story, but to keep things brief, the league was named 'La Liga del Mediterráneo' (the official league had been suspended) since most of the Republican forces still standing were from that area, east of Madrid. Real Madrid, incidentally, applied to play but were refused. Don't forget that back then they were a lefty club, presided over by a communist president and the city, of course, had not fallen to Franco.

Eight sides eventually played in the league, and inevitably Barça won it. The idea was that the top four finishers would then compete in a cup competition, subsequently called 'La Copa del España Libre', and not the 'Republican Cup' as some English newspapers reported last week.

They were indeed republicans, but they were more importantly anti-fascist. You don't have to be a republican to be one of those, necessarily. And of course, as we now know, the anti-fascists themselves could never really decide on what the hell to call themselves, and ended up shooting each other anyway - but to the point.

Levante finished 5th in the league but nipped into the cup competition at the last minute when the champs Barça took the wholly decent decision to take off on a tour of Mexico on a fund-raising venture for the Republican cause. But then Levante complicated matters forever by beating Valencia, of all people, 1-0 in the final in the Montjuic Stadium.

Since democracy officially arrived in 1978, joint sets of Valencia and Levante supporters have occasionally lobbied government bodies in an attempt to force the FEF to recognise the cup competition, but in vain.

Obviously, during the 40 years of Franco's rule it was hardly likely that the cup would be recognised but it's now been 30 years since Felipe Gonzales was democratically elected to lead Spain. The problem for Levante has been that there was never a convenient political atmosphere in place for a government to be seen to permit this recognition.

Had Gonzales' government done so in the early years of the fledgling democracy, they would have been accused of going too far, and of upsetting the sort of people who tried to stage a famous coup d'etat in 1981, for example. Spain's democracy was not established by throwing the fascist baby out with the bathwater, but rather by trying to keep it sedated - as far as was politically possible.

And so the socialists managed to keep Levante at bay. When the right-wing Partido Popular took over, there was no chance at all, since any concessions to such republican memories would have been seen as weakness by the supporters of Aznar and friends.

But now, Mr Bean look-alike PM José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero is seen as something of a liberal, and is a Barça supporter. Last week a Levante supporter, Xavier Rius, managed to persuade Valencian MP Isaura Navarro to lobby parliament over the issue, to which he agreed.

Navarro is from the political left of Valencian politics, unsurprisingly, but was actually supported by the region's PP member too, rather more surprisingly. So it seems as if seventy years of hurting will finally come to an end and Levante will be written into the books. Of course, Joan Laporta has jumped onto the bandwagon and has announced that if this takes place, then Barça should also be recognised as the League winners for that year.

Fair enough, but I reckon there's a much easier solution to all of this. Laporta should get his chums together and ask the Prime Minister if he'll agree to pressurise the RFEF into wiping the football history of the Franco years clean, since as we know, the fascists came to power through wholly illegitimate means, overthrowing a democratically elected republic through a violent coup d'etat.

That would get rid of a good chunk of Real Madrid's trophies and make it easier for Barça to become the top side of all time in a few years, statistically speaking. Now there's a thought.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/col ... =europe&cc=4716
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發表於 2007-10-11 23:04:13 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 Eggio 於 2007-10-10  06:03 PM 發表
利雲特見有咁多意大利人真係搵個意大利人教
廸拜亞斯

Di Blasi?

係又唔錯喎
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發表於 2007-10-11 23:58:03 | 顯示全部樓層
OT 一下..
有無人識 john Charles....(i mean...have watched his soccer play before)....

只係見你地講咁多上左神台既人, 順便講下

[ 本帖最後由 Gianni Rivera 於 2007-10-12  12:00 AM 編輯 ]
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發表於 2007-10-12 02:18:01 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 Gianni Rivera 於 2007-10-11  11:58 PM 發表
OT 一下..
有無人識 john Charles....(i mean...have watched his soccer play before)....

只係見你地講咁多上左神台既人, 順便講下


"according to alex ferguson amongst other john charles who was a world class forward or central defender was the best british footballer ever. Worshipped in Italy and the most successful british export ever and the nicest bloke youd ever meet. the wales and leeds legend has a statue being built as we type."

from Youtube ppl
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發表於 2007-10-12 04:48:46 | 顯示全部樓層
奧利華拉第2球

西維爾食左屎
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 樓主| 發表於 2007-10-12 05:51:29 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 Gianni Rivera 於 2007-10-11  23:58 發表
OT 一下..
有無人識 john Charles....(i mean...have watched his soccer play before)....

只係見你地講咁多上左神台既人, 順便講下


佢有幾勁, 我只有聽講過, 冇睇過..我從來坦白承認我年代以外嘅球員我未必睇過..
你有冇片提供?

講咗好多咩?
唔係講嚟講去都係比利同馬勒當拿咩?

BTW, 你似乎唯讀咗好耐..
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